Moog Bass! The Sub Phatty is good enough and the Sub 37 just adds a little bit more to it, while expanding the user interface. Jun 9, 2015 - Explore Randy Baratz's board "Moog Synthesizer" on Pinterest. Things start to change when you start thinking about your money. I am mostly interested in a Moog for basses, but if I had the additional range of the Sub 37 or Sub Phatty, I’m sure I would use it to some extent. Perhaps it sparks a Moog passion in me and in a couple of years (of buying Moog products), I can help someone else with a similar question. Not that the Sub sounds bad, after all, I have one. Hey guys I want to know your opinion on this. I make hip-hop beats and ambient doodlings, primarily. (Just a quick note: The Analog Keys does have a very nice keyboard, but the keyboard I end up using the most often–with some quick left-hand transposing–is my Bass Station 2. It has various features and capabilities that you would not otherwise get on another synthesizer, and that makes it special.Moog has always been known to pay attention to detail on the little things that matter, but especially the sound quality which in fact is no “little thing” at all. I would go for the Minitaur…all the bass you can eat, and with the Mother-32 you will have a lot of sonic possibilities. … Do you really think you need it? The Sub Phatty combines an old-school aesthetic and sound with modern design. Moog Sub Phatty: Sound and Effects Moog Sub Phatty is anchored by two free-running VCOs that have pitch ranges of 2', 4', 8', and 16'. So I sent it back and kept my Minitaur. It’s the synth I would recommend to anyone as a starter synth, and I have no plans to get rid of mine. The recent wave of Moog reissues bring classic analog sounds with modern ease of use. As the Sub Phatty was released as a replacement for their Little Phatty synth it's no surprise that it retains a lot of design features while also mixing in some elements of the Moog Minitaur. Too bad the UI on the early phatties is so limited. The new Multi Drive function got a massive and really enthusiastic round of applause from us when we heard it at the factory last October. I can get both for about similar prices used in the UK. Things start to change when you start thinking about your money. great sounds and can be very Minimoog on a lot of settings. All the pieces in the model are 100% Lego, everything is connected, took me a good 20 hours for the whole thing. The 32 has high I checked out the Sub37 lately and was really impressed, the whole mix is really awesome, almost a piece of art. if you already have a SE1X, I really don,t see what you,d gain from a, Sub Phatty is not a rehashed, improved, or replacement. But for bass in my experience the more complex the waveform gets the more pressure it looses (not just on the moog). Launched in 1971, Moog Inc’s Minimoog kickstarted a revolution in music technology that saw the synthesizer shrunk down from a room-filling modular science project to an accessible, portable and, most importantly, playable instrument aimed at musicians rather than physicists. and the filter is of course the same old transistor ladder circuit, tho those dont all sound the same either (esp the new generation) - sub phattys filter when in 4pole position sounds pretty much like minitaur's to my ears. Minitaur is plenty Moog. Minitaur–great, pure sound; CV mapping; not as flexible, but what it does it does really, really well. Somewhere down the line, I will grab a Mother 32 as well, but I would prefer to get a Moog in this calendar year, so I can hold off on that part. WHY YOU SHOULD BUY THE MOOG SUB PHATTY. The Mono Lancet also has some magic, but as a live keyboard player all my modules tend to collect dust, might sell them (some MFB as well) and some more stuff, get Sub37 and Prophet 6 and be happy (at least until next Namm. I think the Minitaur and the Mother is a pretty sweet combo. I think there is nothing after midi-note 73. the psychoacoustics-approach is interesting. The only things holding it back so far are the lack of keys ( 25 keys seem to limit a possible melody sometimes) and the hidden functions, for instance LFO reset would have been great to have as a button as this one matters a lot. Especially if you’re heading for a Mother-32. Also, the minitaur editor works a treat. The even more complex moogs like voya and modular make you lose focus altogether imo, with them I just dial in sounds all evening. The obvious differences are a shorter, 25-key keyboard and a dramatic reduction in physical controls to better match the Sub Phatty layout. Moog lovers might kill me, but i love my minitaur more than my little phatty. Comparing three of Moog's most popular synths. El Moog Sub Phatty es un sintetizador analógico monofónico, con muy buena estabilidad en sus 2 osciladores de forma de onda variable, un filtro ladder con bastante carácter, 25 teclas, posibilidad de guardar hasta 16 presets y una serie de controles que ponen sus funcionalidades a … Users with CV setups, traditional MIDI rigs and/or computer-based systems will all find ways to include the Sub Phatty in their workflow. Slim/Little, have a great interface - the knobs available have a distinct led feedback and you always know where you are live. Moog Sub Phatty 25-Key Analog Synthesizer Say hello to the Sub Phatty, the grittiest Moog Synth ever. But I’m not sure I need everything. The Moog Sub Phatty is a very enjoyable synth. is minitaur really up 2 the challenge? No two page garbage. Thanks for all of the input, everyone. All of this is subjective beyond the point that a spectral/oscilloscope analysis of Moog vs. Novation oscillators would likely show some differences; what we make of those differences is up to us. Ever since seeing Ghostland Observatory I have had an awesome amount of respect for the Voyager (every hair on my body shook at one point). The ultimate moog bass is the MiniMoog. Well I did say "so far" . with most i agree but there is slight overlap.. we had a moog rep Amos confirm the oscillator core is in fact minitaur's. However, the Sub 25 may be better seen as a successor to the Sub Phatty. I can’t comment on the other moogs but I got a miniatur to have a proper bass in addition to my analog four. Keep in mind, my Minitaur just arrived the other day, so I may not have the fullest report here. It looks like you have already plenty of synths. I guess its the size and convenience of the knobs all in one place. thanks for the long answer, detailed infos help much more than a short “sounds good”. And the ladder filter is patented. Thanks for all responses and I understand the ridiculousness of trying to compare a synth that isn't even out yet. Of note I have owned a SP and wasn't overly impressed with SubBass and have a SE-1X which covers similar territory to the Voyager on paper. The digital controls over several parameters makes it a more capable machine, with repeatable envelopes, LFO keytracking and a few other cool treats such as phase resetting for oscillators, just like you get from the Minitaur. only miss pwm and the cv is a little wonky, needed some adjustments on the a4 side to correctly track the octaves in tune, dunno if they fixed it by now but the a4 is quite flexible in that regard. Posted by 6 years ago. You need an account to post a reply. The keys on that thing are amazing, especially for the price. On the other end of things, I think: oh, the Moog Minitaur; it’s all the Moog you need: it sounds great and the CV mapping make it a lot more versatile than it may initially appear. Both oscillators have variable waveshapes for added character. I agree, it´s always the combination of small things, sound, features, and for me especially the UI, that make an instrument good. The Sub37 commands your attention and time. I put the synth into 'panel active' mode so that the sound reflected the positions of the knobs and switches, and started to experiment. answer: it's not minimoog or taurus, gents. Archived. Slim and Little Phatty. Unfortunately, when we had a look at the Sub Phatty, the editor was still in development. Not the new stuff. Trying all three is just not an option. I have the A4, Pro 2 and have this week purchased a Sub 37 and to be honest it has already become my favourite, it sounds imense, its logical in use, looks good and a great build quality. Being rational, if you find a good price for the Sub, go for it! I am debating between the Minitaur, the Sub Phatty, and the Sub 37. But Moog decided to limit the range of notes in the upper realm. Another option would be the werkstatt with cv expension board, “the moog mother of the poor”. Both Minitaur and Sub Phatty … The Moog Sub Phatty Analog Synthesizer is quite the unique instrument. Now it was time to create some sounds. Reviewing it in May of that year, I commented that “it seems obvious that the Minitaur would sing as a lead synth too”, and the chaps at Moog must have agreed, because the next stage was the Sub Phatty, which took the character of the Minitaur and transplanted it into a diminutive keyboard synth. Maybe it’s just people overdoing it with the drive/feedback? I’m going to look at this like a keyboardist. There’s the middleground that says the Sub Phatty is a compromise, except I can’t really get over the fact that it doesn’t have the CV mapping of its lesser or greater siblings: it really is what you see is what you get (I am aware of the “under the hood” features). As you do have a lot of analog synths already you need to know what exactly it is you are after. I see my sub phatty more as a performance synth and I rather play it than slave it to my a4. I still hope for a " Maxitauer " to come out some day ( = all controls external ) . I remember Amos from Moog to tell that the sound engine of the Sub-Phatty and the Sub37 is quite similar if not identical. I think if you tried out the Sub Phatty, you would come back and say, "Glad I got ALL THREE!". In the spirit of continuous improvement, we are transitioning production of the award-winning Sub Phatty analog synthesizer to make way for a new standard: the Subsequent 25.Implementing upgraded sonic modifications and functional improvements, the new Subsequent 25 becomes the standard production model moving forward. Also, the Minitaur and Mother-32 look great side by side! Despite the much simpler front panel, more features have been retained than you might think. The Sub Phatty is also the first analog synthesizer to feature Moog’s transformative Multidrive circuit. If you want the most Moog for the money go for the Sub37, because it comes close to the Voyager and has some nice aces up it’s sleeve, which the Voyager misses. For relatively little money you get a real moog with a real moog sound. While the Minitaur is great, I’d still get the Sub Phatty. The minitaur has a very solid low end. Sub 37–does everything, nearly infinite possibilities, it would seem, but I can’t help but think it just sounds muddy in all of the demos I’ve seen/heard. The Moog Sub Phatty is a perfect example, calibrated for generated club and dance music, but versatile enough for any application. But if you are after a real Moog-Bass sound, get it. The Moog Sub Phatty is a two-oscillator analog synthesizer that's true to the style of vintage Moog synths -- with all the bells and whistles you'd expect from a Moog, and a few modern twists. I used to teach writing, so in case this is too long (or poorly the edited) the TL:DR of it is: perhaps not much; “psychoacoustics”; rich oscillators, snappy all day envelopes. The Minitaur is a one trick monster, as said before, but it does its trick in the best way possible. Click here to login, The ability to reply to and create new discussions, Access to members-only giveaways & competitions, Interact with VIP industry experts in our guest Q&As, Access to members-only sub forum discussions, Get INSTANT ACCESS to the world's best private pro audio, Promote your eBay auctions and Reverb.com listings for free. When buying a Moog … I would have bougth a Minitaur alltready if all parameters had buttons or knobs. I never found a clip that compares waves of the different Moogs . OVERVIEW AND FEATURES The Sub Phatty is a monophonic analog synthesizer, very much in the tradition of other classic Moog synthesizers. From the screenshots Moog supplied, however, it's sure to resemble the one bundled with the Moog Minitaur in terms of design and integration. Who knows? Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. It's a beautiful instrument, as we've come to expect from Moog, and it will probably last most users a lifetime if treated right. I would have bougth a Minitaur alltready if all parameters had buttons or knobs, I still hope for a " Maxitauer " to come out some day ( = all controls external ) . Moog Sub 37 / Little Phatty ATA Road Case ATA Road Case for Moog Little Phatty, with 9mm Laminated Plywood Sides, Metal Reinforcement, Recessed Handles, Edge-mounted Casters, and Cable Storage Personally, I liked the smooth character of the LP more, but there might be some potential for a "Taurus like" bass there... Been thinking about this myself since my Voyager is on the Moog factory bench getting fixed, so I'm trying to use the Minitaur in its place for now. Being totally honest, sonically, I would always choose the Slim/Little. etc… I get it; it’s the high end model that does everything. I went ahead and got a Minitaur from Perfect Circuit during their Black Friday sale. Don’t go for the Sub37 unless you want to make it central and learn it proper. Pass filter also, which is something none of the Phattys have! That said, with the classic multimode filter set to 24/db lowpass, I can achieve some admirably Minimoog-ish sounds with the BSII. On a thread a while back I read that for some hardware related reasoning that the Minitaur actually has a deeper fatter bass than the voyager (if true, Wow). Moog oscillators sound so harmonically rich and present to me. Is the Sub Phatty a rehashed LP or SP with Sub Osc's and the Multidrive or does it have the AC Coupling between the VCA and VCF like the Taur's do? For bass sounds, there’s no doubt - Minitaur is king (clearly heard even from videos). Sub 37 Tribute Edition. So if you want complex sounds the miniature is a bit limited but if you want bass it is really powerful. The drums are samples and the intro-rhodes are VST. What does the Minitaur have that the BSII (or the other) doesnt? I am a fair keys player, so the idea of a keybed is appealing, but not absolutely necessary. The Sub line is the more versatile and would grant you a lot of crazy sonic capabilities - I wouldn’t even consider paying more for the extras in the Sub 37 though. I think the Subphatty could be the answer. I think it’s time I get a proper Moog to complement my other synths (quick reference: on the synth side, I’m currently running an AK, Waldorf Rocket, Bass Station II, and a Meeblip Anode). It is in details, but there’s something magical about the oscillators and filter that has been lost in this new generation. But for me, the reason I wanted a Moog had to do with the combination of the oscillators and that filter. With marketing showing wizened synthesists getting excited about the new circuitry, there clearly is something going on here. I’m just not that person. The Sub37 can be warm, smooth, classical, but also modern, aggressive, and crunchy. If money is even tighter, you can get almost all the way there with a MIDI keyboard controller and the Moog Minitaur, but trust us, once you fall for the Sub Phatty, you’ll be hooked. I didn’t compare to the others but most things I read online said the bass is the strongest on the minitaur. (It also sounds muddy to my ears, as though the oscillators are not as sharp as the Minitaur’s.). A lot of lesser used functions remain as what Moog call 'hidden parameters', accessed via a Shift mode. Now that the Sub Phatty has been leaked and it's very reasonably priced and on paper is a much better value than the Minitaur I'm all confused about what I should do. Sub Phatty–perhaps a middle ground that I’m underestimating? He said that Moog listened to it’s Phatty users and the Sub37 would be the answer. If you’re looking for the flat-out best sounding synth, and your budget is under $1000, then look no further. I got the Moog Sub Phatty about a week ago (my first analog synthesizer!). 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